Wow, this chapter was intense for a procedural noob like me. Like watching magic!
Simon Thommes
22nd July 2020 - 11:43
*@Sean Kennedy* I did cram a lot of information into quite short time in these videos to make it easy for people to come back and look up specific things. The workflow examples should help to understand the concepts and make the connections, being more slowly paced and in-depth :)
victor p
15th September 2020 - 08:23
*@Simon Thommes* Is it ok to skip right to the workflow examples and then comeback to these chapters for a clearer concept? Or do i have to go through these chapters first?
Simon Thommes
15th September 2020 - 13:25
*@victor p* Totally! I made the workflow examples to go along with the course and get progessively more advanced. If you feel like that is a better way for you to understand everything, you can start with the first workflow examples an then go back to the explanation videos.
But the workflow examples get more advanced quite quickly. I made a note for each one what level of the main course they are meant for, so keep that in mind.
victor p
16th September 2020 - 06:26
Okk thank you Simon
cjdelaguardia
20th July 2020 - 20:38
very exciting stuff cant wait to see what animations i can get
Himanshu Das
26th July 2020 - 12:17
This is totally 🔥🔥🔥 and deep.
Andreas Friedel
6th August 2020 - 10:44
That’s what snap is for, learned something new.
Jonathan Walsh
30th September 2020 - 14:56
Going to the workflows as discussed with victor p sounds like the way forward for me, the information is truly amazing, but I need the hands on context (I'm 18 months in on Blender).
jamesrossbond
28th October 2020 - 17:23
This course is amazing <3
Leslie Solorzano
1st November 2020 - 14:39
This is fantastic! I had always wanted to know how to do this. But I got scared at how complex the nodes become. I am more used to programming directly and not seeing nodes. I am always cared that it's going to take a very long time
Marc Hopkins
20th April 2021 - 15:31
very good info as usual. The programmer side of me keeps wanting to visualize the mathematical formulas being generated. 👨💻
Stylianos Andreolas
25th February 2022 - 18:37
This is insane. Trully magic.
Vítor
28th July 2020 - 23:52
Are the blend files available? Wish I could download that instead of the mp4.
Simon Thommes
29th July 2020 - 11:51
*@Vítor* I added the file for download in the description
Vítor
29th July 2020 - 12:41
*@Simon Thommes* Sorry, that was stupid from my part. Thanks for the reply.
Simon Thommes
29th July 2020 - 13:04
*@Vítor* No it wasn't! I added it only after you commented, because I forgot about it before. Thank you for reminding me :D
Vítor
29th July 2020 - 23:53
*@Simon Thommes* Oh, l was feeling so stupid, lol. Glad I could help in my own simple way. This course is sooooo interesting but sometimes there is a lot of information to absorb. Having the actual scene files will help. Again, thanks for the reply.
Michael Schwarz
30th August 2020 - 09:12
It always took me 2-3 hours until I've really understood what is explained here in 5-minutes. But as soon as you've understood the concept behind each step its even a kind of fun.
Nevertheless I've a question: where does the colors come from at 3:44? How are the numbers interpreted as colors? I've understood the principles of the luminosity value (at least I think I did) but I cannot comprehend where the red, green,yellow and black tones come from.
Simon Thommes
31st August 2020 - 10:42
*@Michael Schwarz* The red, green and blue channels of the color represent the x, y and z components of the vector map that is displayed.
Negative values cannot be displayed and result in black and when both x and y component are positive, that results in yellow because it mixes red + green.
If that concept is still difficult for you, you can go back to the chapter 1-1 about colors, values and vectors, or simply connect a 'Combine XYZ' node to the viewer node and observe what happens when you change the values around.
It takes some getting used to the colors until you can read a color map and understand the vector map that it represents. I hope this helps.
Michael Schwarz
31st August 2020 - 11:49
*@Simon Thommes*
I think I've got it. x = red y = green z = blue
zero and negative black. Thanks for hint. And of course I should have known it ;)
Tighe Racicot
17th February 2021 - 10:38
@Michael Schwarz I'll chime in here because the concept of a vector map has confused me for a while. I just started to understand it through this course. Maybe this will help others. A vector is a list of 3 values, like Simon said. In this case, X, Y, and Z. The plan is 2D, so it's like a spreadsheet of values, with rows and columns, each "cell" containing a vector. So one cell would have [0,0,0], another cell might have [1,1,1]. The range of these values depends on the properties of the "spreadsheet" (coordinate map). Some maps will have vectors with values -1 to 1, others with values 0-1. In the case of our 2D spreadsheet, each cell's vector's z component is always 0.
But with a third dimension, it's like stacking spreadsheets on spreadsheets, the z component's value varying depending on what position that spreadsheet is in in the stack.
The node tree takes every single cell in every single spreadsheet and operates on the vector in that cell, and in the case of colors, the output of the node tree determines the output color. The mix of X Y and Z values (only X = red, and Y=green values though since this is 2D) determines the resulting color for that cell. If you were to apply this to a 3D object, you'd see an even greater range of colors because now you have a Z (blue) component mixing with all the other red and green components.
Simon Thommes
17th February 2021 - 12:01
@Tighe Racicot Yea, that's a good way of thinking about it! Only that the size of the spreadsheet/ the number of cells is dynamic and dependent on pixels and ray intersections.
victor p
16th September 2020 - 07:52
Simon, what is the node between combine xyz and math node in this example? It labeled Length but i can find it on the search bar.
Simon Thommes
16th September 2020 - 11:55
*@victor p* It is the 'Vector Math', set to the 'Length' operation. It simply gives you the value of the length of a vector, which is, in terms of coordinate vectors, the distance to the center.
Arealiouscg
28th October 2020 - 03:22
This is why I hate math lol
[deleted]
17th February 2021 - 10:54
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Simon Thommes
17th February 2021 - 12:02
@Tighe Racicot It sounds like you are using the regular math node instead of the vector math node. That one interprets the input as a simple value and so you simply get a repetition along the x=y axis
Tighe Racicot
17th February 2021 - 20:31
@Simon Thommes Thanks, yes, that was it. In 2.92 the vector math nodes are a different color, and the regular math nodes are blue like in the video (you’re using 2.83 in the video). The “vector” label on the input and output clued me in that it was vector math, since the math node’s in/out labels are “Value”.
Simon Thommes
18th February 2021 - 19:31
@Tighe Racicot Ah right, yes!
Chien
28th February 2021 - 10:46
hi, what should I do to make the graphics appear randomly in the included positions
Simon Thommes
1st March 2021 - 11:09
@Chien Hey, I'm not sure that I understand your question correctly but maybe this helps:
After dividing the coordinates into cells you can do anything randomly to the parameters that are generating the shapes inside them. If you want to shift their positions, you can add a random vector to the coordinates they are using. However, you inherently can't go beyond the limits of the cells to make the shapes overall, due to the logic of how this works (I go a bit more into the logic in chapter 2-5).
If you want overlapping shapes you can do this method multiple times in parallel, offset the different grids and then blend the result.
But even just shifting the textures within a cell can be quite useful (I'm showing this later in chapter 4-3).
Chien
8th March 2021 - 07:37
@西蒙·汤姆斯 Thank you very much for your answer, it made me understand more fully
andreas aditya halim
16th December 2021 - 11:15
really hard to grasp
Victor D
15th February 2022 - 18:57
I have the feeling that this chapter is in the wrong order? It should go after the Shape Control one.
Simon Thommes
16th February 2022 - 14:21
@Victor D Yes, you're totally right, I changed the order. Thanks for pointing that out!
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Sean Kennedy
22nd July 2020 - 08:58
Wow, this chapter was intense for a procedural noob like me. Like watching magic!
Simon Thommes
22nd July 2020 - 11:43
*@Sean Kennedy* I did cram a lot of information into quite short time in these videos to make it easy for people to come back and look up specific things. The workflow examples should help to understand the concepts and make the connections, being more slowly paced and in-depth :)
victor p
15th September 2020 - 08:23
*@Simon Thommes* Is it ok to skip right to the workflow examples and then comeback to these chapters for a clearer concept? Or do i have to go through these chapters first?
Simon Thommes
15th September 2020 - 13:25
*@victor p* Totally! I made the workflow examples to go along with the course and get progessively more advanced. If you feel like that is a better way for you to understand everything, you can start with the first workflow examples an then go back to the explanation videos.
But the workflow examples get more advanced quite quickly. I made a note for each one what level of the main course they are meant for, so keep that in mind.
victor p
16th September 2020 - 06:26
Okk thank you Simon
cjdelaguardia
20th July 2020 - 20:38
very exciting stuff cant wait to see what animations i can get
Himanshu Das
26th July 2020 - 12:17
This is totally 🔥🔥🔥 and deep.
Andreas Friedel
6th August 2020 - 10:44
That’s what snap is for, learned something new.
Jonathan Walsh
30th September 2020 - 14:56
Going to the workflows as discussed with victor p sounds like the way forward for me, the information is truly amazing, but I need the hands on context (I'm 18 months in on Blender).
jamesrossbond
28th October 2020 - 17:23
This course is amazing <3
Leslie Solorzano
1st November 2020 - 14:39
This is fantastic! I had always wanted to know how to do this. But I got scared at how complex the nodes become. I am more used to programming directly and not seeing nodes. I am always cared that it's going to take a very long time
Marc Hopkins
20th April 2021 - 15:31
very good info as usual. The programmer side of me keeps wanting to visualize the mathematical formulas being generated. 👨💻
Stylianos Andreolas
25th February 2022 - 18:37
This is insane. Trully magic.
Vítor
28th July 2020 - 23:52
Are the blend files available? Wish I could download that instead of the mp4.
Simon Thommes
29th July 2020 - 11:51
*@Vítor* I added the file for download in the description
Vítor
29th July 2020 - 12:41
*@Simon Thommes* Sorry, that was stupid from my part. Thanks for the reply.
Simon Thommes
29th July 2020 - 13:04
*@Vítor* No it wasn't! I added it only after you commented, because I forgot about it before. Thank you for reminding me :D
Vítor
29th July 2020 - 23:53
*@Simon Thommes* Oh, l was feeling so stupid, lol. Glad I could help in my own simple way. This course is sooooo interesting but sometimes there is a lot of information to absorb. Having the actual scene files will help. Again, thanks for the reply.
Michael Schwarz
30th August 2020 - 09:12
It always took me 2-3 hours until I've really understood what is explained here in 5-minutes. But as soon as you've understood the concept behind each step its even a kind of fun. Nevertheless I've a question: where does the colors come from at 3:44? How are the numbers interpreted as colors? I've understood the principles of the luminosity value (at least I think I did) but I cannot comprehend where the red, green,yellow and black tones come from.
Simon Thommes
31st August 2020 - 10:42
*@Michael Schwarz* The red, green and blue channels of the color represent the x, y and z components of the vector map that is displayed. Negative values cannot be displayed and result in black and when both x and y component are positive, that results in yellow because it mixes red + green.
If that concept is still difficult for you, you can go back to the chapter 1-1 about colors, values and vectors, or simply connect a 'Combine XYZ' node to the viewer node and observe what happens when you change the values around.
It takes some getting used to the colors until you can read a color map and understand the vector map that it represents. I hope this helps.
Michael Schwarz
31st August 2020 - 11:49
*@Simon Thommes* I think I've got it. x = red y = green z = blue zero and negative black. Thanks for hint. And of course I should have known it ;)
Tighe Racicot
17th February 2021 - 10:38
@Michael Schwarz I'll chime in here because the concept of a vector map has confused me for a while. I just started to understand it through this course. Maybe this will help others. A vector is a list of 3 values, like Simon said. In this case, X, Y, and Z. The plan is 2D, so it's like a spreadsheet of values, with rows and columns, each "cell" containing a vector. So one cell would have [0,0,0], another cell might have [1,1,1]. The range of these values depends on the properties of the "spreadsheet" (coordinate map). Some maps will have vectors with values -1 to 1, others with values 0-1. In the case of our 2D spreadsheet, each cell's vector's z component is always 0.
But with a third dimension, it's like stacking spreadsheets on spreadsheets, the z component's value varying depending on what position that spreadsheet is in in the stack.
The node tree takes every single cell in every single spreadsheet and operates on the vector in that cell, and in the case of colors, the output of the node tree determines the output color. The mix of X Y and Z values (only X = red, and Y=green values though since this is 2D) determines the resulting color for that cell. If you were to apply this to a 3D object, you'd see an even greater range of colors because now you have a Z (blue) component mixing with all the other red and green components.
Simon Thommes
17th February 2021 - 12:01
@Tighe Racicot Yea, that's a good way of thinking about it! Only that the size of the spreadsheet/ the number of cells is dynamic and dependent on pixels and ray intersections.
victor p
16th September 2020 - 07:52
Simon, what is the node between combine xyz and math node in this example? It labeled Length but i can find it on the search bar.
Simon Thommes
16th September 2020 - 11:55
*@victor p* It is the 'Vector Math', set to the 'Length' operation. It simply gives you the value of the length of a vector, which is, in terms of coordinate vectors, the distance to the center.
Arealiouscg
28th October 2020 - 03:22
This is why I hate math lol
[deleted]
17th February 2021 - 10:54
Simon Thommes
17th February 2021 - 12:02
@Tighe Racicot It sounds like you are using the regular math node instead of the vector math node. That one interprets the input as a simple value and so you simply get a repetition along the x=y axis
Tighe Racicot
17th February 2021 - 20:31
@Simon Thommes Thanks, yes, that was it. In 2.92 the vector math nodes are a different color, and the regular math nodes are blue like in the video (you’re using 2.83 in the video). The “vector” label on the input and output clued me in that it was vector math, since the math node’s in/out labels are “Value”.
Simon Thommes
18th February 2021 - 19:31
@Tighe Racicot Ah right, yes!
Chien
28th February 2021 - 10:46
hi, what should I do to make the graphics appear randomly in the included positions
Simon Thommes
1st March 2021 - 11:09
@Chien Hey, I'm not sure that I understand your question correctly but maybe this helps: After dividing the coordinates into cells you can do anything randomly to the parameters that are generating the shapes inside them. If you want to shift their positions, you can add a random vector to the coordinates they are using. However, you inherently can't go beyond the limits of the cells to make the shapes overall, due to the logic of how this works (I go a bit more into the logic in chapter 2-5). If you want overlapping shapes you can do this method multiple times in parallel, offset the different grids and then blend the result. But even just shifting the textures within a cell can be quite useful (I'm showing this later in chapter 4-3).
Chien
8th March 2021 - 07:37
@西蒙·汤姆斯 Thank you very much for your answer, it made me understand more fully
andreas aditya halim
16th December 2021 - 11:15
really hard to grasp
Victor D
15th February 2022 - 18:57
I have the feeling that this chapter is in the wrong order? It should go after the Shape Control one.
Simon Thommes
16th February 2022 - 14:21
@Victor D Yes, you're totally right, I changed the order. Thanks for pointing that out!